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2017 Race?

Post by srgalahad » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:20 pm

The Executive Committee for the RTWR has given long and careful thought to the viability of the event for 2017 and beyond. Declining numbers of participants, technical issues with secondary software, increased experience with the known format and it's options have all raised questions of whether the current format can continue. At the same time a basic desire is seen to exist for an ongoing "bigger than average" event that retains the mystique and challenges of years gone by.

In response, the Executive Committee proposes changes for 2017 (and beyond?) that will reduce the burden on teams and individuals as follows:

1. The event will be hard-capped at 48 hours in length, starting on Friday February 17th and ending on Sunday February 19th. (The first to finish wins. If no one has finished at the 48 hours deadline, the teams revert to their last full stop landing and the closest to the finish wins.)

2. The overall circuit will be set up so that minimal strategic planning will be necessary. Accordingly, the routing details will be made available only a few hours before the start time – as was common in the early years.

3. Penalties will be reduced and served by the teams' standing in place in real time.

4. Team events will be altered this year to ease the pressure to field a great number of pilots. However, larger teams will still benefit from having more participants to do the flying.

5. The emphasis will return to "normal racing legs" with only a small number of longer "over-water legs" to be involved.

6. No significant changes are anticipated regarding the well-known allowed aircraft from previous years, although some revised limitations will be required in the adjusted format.

To facilitate these goals the route would be modified and not require a complete circumnavigation of the globe. If the proposed changes result in satisfactory participation and enthusiasm it is conceivable that the circumnavigation would still be accomplished over a multi-year cycle.

Obviously these changes have to receive the support of the community and thus we are requesting a serious expression of support before we continue with rules development. A decision will be made based on input received by January 16th.

Thank you for your support.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by spokes2112 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:01 pm

I'm in.. All for it. If it takes reduction in the event time/rules to keep interest then by all means do it. Rather have a race than no race at all.
Side note - I always liked the old, extensive rules. Have you've read the FAA regs lately? :shock: Our old rules mimicked them perfectly. As real as it gets - right?
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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by Spookster67 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:29 pm

Firstly, thanks to the Executive Committee for trying to find a format that will keep the race going.

As a concept, I think this is a good way to try to keep the race alive. The current format has become quite complex, which is fine for those of us that have participated in many previous years' races, and know the rules inside out, but much harder for newcomers or those who haven't raced for a while. I like the idea to get it back to a simple race that is easily understood by anyone that wants to join in.

From a personal perspective, I'm disappointed the pre-planning phase of the race will disappear, as I find that just as much fun as the racing itself. However, in that regard, I'm probably in a minority. Most people probably just want to fly, without having to spend many previous days strategizing. That's fine.

In theory, Friday to Sunday (by which I assume you mean Friday evening US time to Sunday evening US time) would work fine for me, without meaning I need to take time off work. In practice, that weekend isn't good for me as I'm travelling, so I'll probably only manage 2 or 3 flights. But that's just bad luck for me - I'll do as much as I can for the team.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by PRB » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:57 am

I'm ok with this. Bring on the rules. My first pass at criticism would have been to eliminate "stuff" that requires more than one pilot per leg. Formation flights, team flights, wingmen. No team will have enough pilots for all that nonsense! But, Rob's point about rewarding teams that manage to recruit lots of pilots has merit, and I realized that my bad attitude about pilot recruitment (waste of time, nobody cares) is basically on me, so I won't make that criticism after all... :)
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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by JockHA » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:29 am

I am in, though I will miss the old style.

If this is necessary to have a race, lets go for it.
Rather this race, than no race.

I know we will only get the detailed routing requirements a few hours before the race,
but I would like to see the general layout of the rules sooner.

Thanks to the Executive Committee for trying to keep this alive.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by jt_williams » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:32 pm

I'm all in Sir. :)

I appreciate the effort the Executive Committee has made to continue the tradition of the RTWR even though the format will change. Change is the law of the universe and we must and will adapt. Thank You.

I am looking forward to seeing many of the "Usual Suspects" on all of the teams again this year on the Duenna tracker and teamspeak. Hopefully we might see some new faces too.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by Moses03 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 1:14 pm

I posted this at SOH:

Appreciate the racing committee submitting something different in the face of the ever-changing FS landscape. I am interested in this new concept.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by kowalski65 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:40 pm

As said, better A race than NO race,& I will fly if I can get online

My initial query would be over the possible conflict between 1 and 2...if no one finishes & you measure who is closest, then a straight line measure may not be legally flyable, nor may it give the best indication of who is closest to actually finishing(*)... and if the route is fixed(which would enable you to see who is closest) that would cut out any planning of the route,either "on the fly" or strategically(& for me that is one of the best bits)

Furthest distance flown could be used, although Im sure certain compulsory landings(either a specific airport , or a choice of 2 or more in an area,to enable more strategy to get in there) would be needed to stop anyone going just A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B indefinitely :) Not that they would of course

(*) eg Team A are 1000nm away as the crow flies but need 3 tricky landings in the mountains to finish,against Team B who are 1300nm away with 3 landings at well lit international airports

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by CavalierDuck » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:15 pm

I'll be there however the race is run, simple or complex.

My two pennies worth: if there is a good sized pool of committed, experienced racers then the old style, more complex rule set seems appropriate, to keep people interested by adding to the challenges and keeping fresh ideas coming in. Unfortunately, that's not where we are. With a dwindling number of experienced racers and with few new faces, a different approach is called for. The daunting complexity of the rules is often cited by pilots who express an interest but then don't end up following through and joining in. So I support the committee's idea that simplification has to be tried, to reduce the barrier to entry for potential new race pilots. Ultimately, getting new pilots in is what will keep the race alive.

Looking forward to a frantic few hours between the release of the routing rules and the start - I like the sound of that. Bring it on!
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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by PhantomTweak » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:05 am

Well, if FlightSim can field enough for even the new race format, I'll be there.
As far as I'm concerned, better A race than NO race, as so many have said.
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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by cbtaylor » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:39 pm

I'm in. As others have said, any race is better than no race. I enjoy the camaraderie the most anyway, and the thrill and challenges of the flying itself. I would be willing to see the race go into Monday, but I realize that not everybody has that day off. Just a thought.


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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by ponchovilla » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:59 am

I'm in 'cause it's always been a blast, from the lead-up to the actual race to the post-race. Even before I became an active race participant, I maintained an interest and looked forward to "that weekend in February" where the atmosphere seems to carry a different weight, or cast, or charge, or call it what you will. It is special. I must do it.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by fsxar177 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 4:06 pm

We are at a crossroads with this event.

1. It is an around the world race. If it lost that, I think we would really be losing a lot.

2. The planning is half the fun. The routes have already been too pre-determined the last couple years.

3. Really?

4. I think these flights should be optional, and not required to earn bonus.

5. So we're capping the time to 48 hours, but we're also wanting to slow it down !?

I think we need a big change up. I think we need a new committee (each site could elect from a pool of willing/able?). And I think we need to make this a race again.

I'll probably just come across as mean spirited. And it's nothing against any of the organizers of this fine event. I just think we need to simplify, streamline, and make this an event that is more appealing to the common simmer.

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by arrvoo » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:41 pm

I'm in

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by TornadoWilkes » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:10 pm

Congrats on the new (old) format... less is indeed more 😀

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by ChinaDan » Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:19 am

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Re: 2017 Race?

Post by Leonore » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:23 am

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